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‘Women give me babies to hold. I’m loved!’ Marina Abramović on art, ageing and being bigger than Trump

At 77, the godmother of performance art has a new show – and a range of longevity products. She talks about crystals, self-discipline and her hopes of making it to 100

The godmother of performance art begins by telling me off: “You are early! Why are you early?” Well, you know, I just wanted to check Zoom was working – camera, microphone and everything. Also, she’s already here – she’s even earlier. “I come from communism. You have to be on time,” she says, referring to the first 30 years of her life in Tito’s Yugoslavia. “In Japan, if you’re on time, you’re late. And in Paris, if you’re early, they’re incredibly embarrassed, you know … the horse is taking shower …”

What? The horse is taking a shower?

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